Sorry to OP that this is not really his original topic but I wanted to throw my two cents in on the "What a date looks like without sex?" question and why an SD would pay for it as well as a few other points in the thread.
Additional apologies on the length of this post but I really wanted to address several statements in previous posts at once.
This is an interesting insight into your perspective on the situation I think. I can say that my personal experience is the exact opposite of this. I can think of only a very few times when sex occurred within 24 hours of meeting outside of P4P or a SD/SB relationship. And it's fairly rare in the SD/SB situation for me, though not unheard of. Partly this is due to my personality and partly due to the fact that where I lived most of my life didn't have the traditional "hookup" locations; bars, nightclubs, ect. Dating was more, "traditional". You meet a girl, talk for a bit, see her again somewhere, talk a bit more, decide you want to ask her out, actually ask her out, build chemistry and affection and then get into the sex stage, unless she was "saving herself for marriage" which still happens quite a bit. But you can't even get to the dating part in most situations if you prefer younger women as they aren't likely to let you get to the asking out stage.
So in that scenario Sugar Dating really just streamlines the process. I don't spend tons of time with small talk before asking her out. I just know that she's an attractive young woman, who in ordinary scenario likely wouldn't even entertain the idea of a date with me, but now I've been able to be upfront in saying, "I want to spend time with a attractive younger woman, get to know her and hopefully we both decide we are attracted enough to each other for sex." Obviously, sometimes that ends after a few dates or sometimes even the first date when it's clear she isn't interested in ever having sex with me or vice versa. But we both knew that was part of the deal going in. Could I just use normal P4P? Sure, it's a guaranteed night of sex, but it's also often a lot pricier, especially in the long term. Having an SB who is having sex with your not because your paying to see her but because she genuinely is attracted to you in my experience is going to lead to a much longer experience. So for the price of say $200 a date (Which seems to be fairly common among SB's in my normal area) you end up with a whole evening together. The going rates for P4P around here would be $300-$400 per hour. So if you think about it in purely transactional terms you trade additional "dating" time for longer sexual experiences. But it's more than transactional. You have been seeing each other for a bit before you ever hop into bed. You have time to discuss each others wants and needs and the things that turn them on and turn them off, ect ect. Here in the US P4P doesn't come with a list of things a girl will do with a price tag next to each. You may have to see a provider several times before she is willing to do some things with you even if she offers them as she wants to feel safe with you first. That adds up pretty quick!
I agree if she isn't funny or interesting then dating would be a chore. That's why in nearly every arrangement the first time we meet will not be paid, it's a chance for us to discuss in person what we want out of the arrangement, clearly state any boundaries we each want to have, and get a feel for things enough that I'm confident we'll have a good time together on the first real date and that it is something we both will enjoy doing.
Speaking for me personally, I hate shopping as a general rule, but as with every rule there is an exception. In the case of a sugaring relationship I currently have one where the primary "sugar" I provide is travel and shopping. I enjoy the travel and I enjoy having someone to enjoy the travel with me. Unlike traveling with normal friends/family however it's clear that I'm the dominate driving force in what we are going to see and do while traveling. On the flip side though when we get to the shopping I let her take charge. She enjoys picking out things that make her feel sexy and beautiful. I equally enjoy providing her with those things because in my experience, a woman feeling sexy and beautiful in the dress and lingerie you bought her is much more likely to want to be sexy with you back home out of that dress.
From what she tells me (and I would appreciate a perspective from other women here) when she goes shopping with friends the fun part is trying on clothes that make them feel sexy and showing them off a little (be that in a teasing cruel fashion to the "friend-zoned" male above or to other women in the shop or whatever). But unless she just gets the urge to splurge the clothes that come home from those trips are things to wear for work, school, her brother's wedding ect ect. It's all about finding something that's good enough, for whatever situation that, if she's lucky she feels she looks good in but most of the time she will settle for not feeling that it makes her "look bad" and fits in her budget. If she does splurge on something just for the sake of it making her feel good she feels guilty about the money as it could have been used for something useful.
Shopping with me she isn't worried about any of that. She just gets to enjoy getting something that she might never wear again but for those few hours made her feel sexy as hell and she doesn't feel guilty about it because she didn't blow her food budget for the week on it. It doesn't take hours and hours to accomplish. She already knows the sort of thing she wants, she's tried it or something like it a thousand times before, but now it's gonna be hers, guilt free, and she knows that as sexy as she feels in it is exactly as sexy I'm going to think she is in it. That's building up sexual tension for both of us to release later on in the hotel.
Also, the flip side is that as I said I hate shopping, I don't want to spend hours myself shopping for something to wear to work, dinner, my brother's wedding ect ect. It's much easier for me to wait at the dressing room for her to bring me a few things that will work for whatever occasion I'm needing to buy for, try them on quickly, see if I approve and then get her approval of how they look on me. It's much faster than if I go alone and having the female opinion of the total effect is great.
I'll address the food part below, but as a guy who has seen you in lingerie, however briefly you kept it on, you are 100% correct. I could certainly enjoy seeing you try on some more.
One of the aspects of travel I enjoy is most certainly experiencing the food. I'd never come ONLY for the food and I doubt the most men saying they came for the food mean only for the food. It's just one aspect of why they travel. Saying "Japanese food is everywhere" is not really accurate. Say instead that "Japanese style food is everywhere." Try getting a traditional Ryokan style meal in the US, made with fresh, never frozen ingredients. Sushi in the US versus Japan is another good example. I've had excellent Sushi in the US but it is in every case distinctly different from the Sushi I had in Japan. Often when recipes come to other countries from their home location they are adjusted to make use of the local ingredients available instead of importing expensive ingredients from the home country. They are also often adjusted to better suit the pallet of the local population. It's part of the adventure of travel for me to try the local food, prepared and served in the local way.
As for the seeing a girl try on lingerie section of the quote above, yes, it's nice if she surprises me with lingerie she bought for me, but we go back to that situation above where it isn't really practical for her to spend $50-100 on something to turn me on. She already knows she can just get naked to do that. That means that in the back of her mind she's thinking about something other than how good she feels wearing it and looking sexy and it's even in conflict with that. If she's wearing something I bought her out shopping or that I took the time to go out and buy myself for her then there is no mental conflict. No mental conflict means a much better time for me
Anyway, that's just my two cents on all of the above and hope it gave you some insight,
@e-smile into some of the SB/SD arrangements that you were having trouble understanding. At least that's why some of them work for me.
